Was just thinking that we probably could get 20 peeps on at the same time if it was the right day, or field most of the group with just a coupla fillers. I would really like to experience something new at the same time of the rest of you 60's since I lagged so long behind ya getting there ;)

So let's start planning!

AQ 20 man is impossible, ZG is impossible for ATF to do anymore and AQ is harder than ZG.

They nerfed ZG so much, you can really do it, just make sure you know how to attack the targets. Ok maybe you can't pwn hakkar, but the rest of the instance has phat loot!

Or does ATF-WoW really suck that much? :lol:

We suck that bad Rocket...

You guys can do ZG with ease.

well, I will admit that we haven't tried in a few months.. but the last time we did it was with mixed success.

Mixed success? We had great success....... AT WIPING!

Yeah when you've got a guild that isn't even geared in tier one shit you can't do ZG.

O.o u sure it must be tier one stuff? I'm pretty sure just higher end gear stuffs would work.. or that's just in the priest case. meh.

You dont need tier 1 stuff, you need practice. Once youve figured out the bosses you can do the entire place in about 4 hrs.

What we need is people. I don't care how well you know the strats, doing it with 8-9 people in mostly blues with a smattering of greens isn't going to cut it.

Now, we COULD start farming the trash mobs more, but that's a different topic entirely.

Farming trash mobs isnt a half bad idea. But that still requires getting a large amount of people together. correct?

I may be out of line here but I find this whole conversation pointless as we have not even had a regularly scheduled raid in about 2 weeks due to not having people online.

Now granted, if we get people off their un-guilded alts and off other servers at the scheduled raid time, then we might have a chance.

Farming trash mobs isnt a half bad idea. But that still requires getting a large amount of people together. correct?

None of the trash mobs I saw would require much more than a 5-man with good CC abilities. A ten man should have no real trouble outside of maybe the spawns that are 5-6 mobs.

Still doesn't address the fact that we're still lucky to GET ten people.

I'm not sure what you mean by "trash MOBs". I don't think you need tier 1+ gear to succeed in ZG. I'm sure there are published notes somewhere on the web on how to succeed in ZG. Why reinvent the wheel.

I agree with Stoke, unless we can consistently come up with at least 10 ppl then we should probably not attempt to do anything with ZG other than farm the first couple of mobs.

Agreed its not that we can't do it its the numbers we need.

Next time put these type of discussions in the private area.

Hehe you said private area.