http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=576

Wow....They finally decide to upgrade after the servers get to the point of needing 15 min to log in.

I doubt they will use them to upgrade, they will just add new realms.

Yup I agree with Niz nothing for us that actually need it.

I wish they would just do a Realm transfer for Mal'Lagness so we can all go to another server.

agreed if they do a transfer for Mal'Ganis to a diff PvP server I think we should all go.

\agreed

I logged on for 15 mins last night and got disconnected again. If this pattern continues I will be ending my subscription for a while.

You really think its going to be any better on a different server? Especially if alot move off Mal'Goonis also. We'd just end up with same crap just on a different server, oh what joy!

Dont care about the Horde situation, I would say we move because we know what type of condition Mal'Ganis is in and perhaps we would be moving to one of the new servers.

Also, a smarter man than I once said "I cannot say whether things will get better if we change; what I can say is they must change if they are to get better."

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Thanks for narrowing it down for us there....

So...we ruled out...what? People in vegetative comas?

I used to despise this server because of the Horde. After I got to 60 though, that stopped bothering me and my hatred is really reserved to Clan Can't Do Numbers. Then I noticed we're actually (in terms of players) on one of the better servers.

Elitist Jerks, love em or hate em, is one of the top PvE guilds in the game. One of the first three Horde guilds in the game to down Neferian (IIRC) and the smallest documented downing of Onyxia (rumors are around that some Koreans 8-manned it, but nobody can seem to provide actual proof). There's something to be said for going head-to-head with some of the top Horde in the game and occasionally coming out on top (zerg ftw!). Plus you couldn't ask for a better source of easy honor than Goon Squad...

Then look at the AQ effort...a lot of people refused to help at all, despite good monetary incentives and contests to help them. Mal'Ganis, a medium-pop PvP server on a crappy farm, finished 11th overall out of 123 servers...and was the third PvP server to finish (and missed being 2nd by maybe an hour or two...it was insanely close). That's ridiculous to think about, since I'm fairly sure there's PvE/RP realms that have daily queues that finished after us.

The server hardware-wise has it's faults, but that's Blizzard's fault and I have a feeling that no matter where you go, Blizzard will find a way to screw it up. I'd much rather start demanding that Blizzard look into MG and fix its OBVIOUS issues than spend the time complaining about wanting server transfers, somehow managing to get them and then finding out that we transferred to a server with even bigger smacktards than MG Alliance sports and finding out they let too many people transfer and the new server sucks just as bad.

It's Blizzard, they're not as bad as SOE...but that's not setting the bar real high.

Agreed that there is an obvious risk involved in moving, but its pretty clear that Blizz is never going to look at Mal'Ganis so our situation won't change.

So there is no confusion here, I am not complaining about our players or the horde or anything like that. Quite honestly I am impressed by how much Mal'Ganis has accomplished considering all the issues that the server itself has had.

All I am saying is that we, as a guild, should not rule out the opportunity of moving to another server.

If someone other than Blizzard owned the new server, it'd be something to think about.

The problem is not the server as much as it is Blizzard's unwillingness or inability to fix it. That speaks to a deeper problem that running away from this one won't really solve, IMO anyway.

Well Blizz, due to their inaction, only really gives us the option of running away from a problem.

I'm just saying if they don't fix this server when it has problems, what happens when the new server has problems (that Blizzard will undoubtedly cause)?

The evil you know versus the evil you don't and all that.

Yes but then again you never know unless you try.

Point being without knowing what the actual problem is (since we don't know if it's server hardware, farm site, ISP, or glitchy code), we can easily end up in a same or worse situation.

If we found out that the problem was the ISP for the site that hosts Mal'Ganis sucked and that's the core problem, totally different story and we'd be fools to not move.

If the problem is server farm sharing and it's a widespread Blizzard practice, we could go through a goodly bit of adjustment to end up with the same situation and less of a chance of getting away from it.

Desicions made with little information and born out of frustration tend to be the ones that backfire.

Facts-
I now get disconnected from Mal frequently, frequently meaning once every 15 to 60 minutes.
I now get stuck on the “Retrieving Character List” on Mal for 15 to 30 minutes at a time.
I now get stuck on the loading screen on Mal for 7 to 12 minutes.

I always enter a queue when logging in to Uldum. The queue varies in length from 12th in line to 150th in line.
The loading screen on Uldum is on average less than 1 minute.
I get disconnected from Uldum rarely, rarely meaning once every week.
I own with my shaman in PvP with “FROST SHOCK” wait nevermind…..

And I'm not disputing any of those facts cannon, but none of them speak to "Why?"

Is the problem related to the network into Mal'Ganis that Blizzard really doesn't have any control over (i.e. - ISP or Internet-issues)? If so, moving is in our best interest.

Is the problem the internal network infrastructure at the site that's causing the disconnects? If so, again moving is in our best interest, as that problem should be readily identified and fixed.

Is it a problem with Blizzard's server code and/or load balancing? If so, moving does not provide much in the way of relief.

Is the problem related to other servers having excessive populations (i.e. - Does Uldum run fine because MG suffers)? If so, we can end ourselves up in similar territory since popular Internet sites can drastically alter the face of a server (see also: PA and Dark Iron, RvB on Bonechewer, etc.)

Is the problem player-created by people abusing the systems (Chinese farmers, idiot children, general trouble-makers)? If so, moving doesn't help since the problem will probably manifest itself on whatever server we move to as well.

So forth and so on...

We can say "it's not our job to find this stuff out!" and it isn't...but if we're going to take action and try to get characters moved (assuming it ever becomes possible), it behooves us to make sure we're doing something that will fix our problem and not make it worse or stay exactly the same. Also, having facts to back up our assertations of "MG sucks!" might help actually get it fixed. Blizzard can (and does) ignore opinions...it becomes much harder to ignore documented facts. So far only SOE has managed to find a way to blind itself to the obvious...

Well from what I have heard from other friends on other servers the issues we are experiencing on Mal'Ganis do not happen regularly on some of the other servers.

From what I'm reading off of Blizzard's tech support, the issue is far from just MG though. Akama, Deathwing, Elune, Thunderlord and Twisting Nether at a casual glance have people reporting similar issues (random disconnects, slow loads, looting taking minutes or more, lag spikes measured in the thousands with all things on their end checking out to about normal).

Are there realms out there that are fine? Undoubtedly. Will they remain so should we be able to move there? Hard to say...why are all these other realms having problems?

I guess that's what I'm trying to say...we don't know what the cause of the problem is, so how can we know moving to another server will actually fix it?

but we know staying isnt working out for us either.

But why would we transfer when we don't know if the problem is going to stay with MG or follow us to Target Server X?

Kind of a moot discussion when Blizzard isn't offering character transfers.

Further browsing reveals more servers with the same issues...and the started around xmas which, if memory serves, was about the time MG really started acting up.

Now, to force Blizzard to confess to whatever moronic thing they did at Christmas...

For those just joining:

To summarize Silver....
Why jump off one sinking ship onto another one before you know how seaworthy the second one is?

To Summarize Niz...
Screw this, I'm jumping.

To Summarize Cannon...
I keep getting thrown off the boat so I'm probabaly just not gonna ride it anymore until they fix it.

No, to summarize Niz:

Well we know this one is sinking so lets jump the hell off this one and hope the other ship is more seaworthy.

No, to summarize Niz:

Well we know this one is sinking so lets jump the hell off this one and hope the other ship is more seaworthy.

Which is another way of saying "screw this I'm jumping...." :)

Interesting posts from Tech Support:

"Many of us are becoming increasingly distressed about this problem. Since late november, Moonrunner and many other servers have had what can only be described as server side issues - loot lag, spell lag and general problems that may seem like high latency, but occur when latency is well below 200MS. These issues and many others continue, worsen, and finally the server crashes. This has been happening with a very disheartening regularity every week for the past few MONTHS. Saturday and Sunday performance is going downhill, to the inevitable monday crash. Monday night is generally unplayable, and sometimes crashes occur on Sunday as well.

Again, please - some kind of response to this? I don't want to hear another redirection, diversion or excuse. I want to hear that the problems with the service that I am currently paying for are not only acknowledged, but being addressed. I'm not trying to be insulting, although I may come off that way; I am becomming very upset and annoyed about this state of affairs. "

"I think I've tried it all...for the past couple of weeks now I've just not been able to play. When I log in I normally get stuck on connecting, authenticating, or any of the other steps - also when I actually start loading and the blue bar fills up, it take AGES once it's full to actually load the game. When I actually do get in game the connection is so horrible I normally have to alt tab and end the task in order to quit - totally unplayable, and this is at all times of day equally as bad."

"Why is it that some servers are crashing so consistently? This predictability is frustrating, and while I'll continue to wait patiently it'd be nice to hear something from Blizzard concerning the cause of this problem. Can anyone offer a possible explanation for why this has been happening over the last month? That's all I ask."

All three of those posts could be used to describe MG, and none of them were written by someone at MG. Something larger is amiss here.

Yeah I'm not saying we should leave or stay. Those are just some of the things I have encountered over the last week or so.
My frustration with Mal right now is very high.

Maybe it will get better, maybe it won't. Maybe if we leave it'll get better, maybe it won't.

As ATF goes, so shall the Cannonball.

Dude, no one is saying its just MG I am just saying that there are other servers where it is not happening so if we can go to one of those we should.

Unless you're talking about a full re-roll, you don't get an option on where you go for a transfer. Blizzard tells you A can go to B and that's that.

Interesting thing to try...run a tracert to the login server and to mal'ganis. Cannon, since it's not like you're doing anything else in the 15 minutes to retrieve character list, try doing a tracert at a command prompt to both MG and "us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com" and compare the routes.

I show MG's IP address as being: 206.16.235.15 (to obtain this connect to WoW and load the server, then open a command prompt and type "netstat" and locate the address at port :3724). If when MG is slow we can run a tracert and show that our connection TO blizzard is fine (and compare it to working servers like Uldum and others), we might be able to make more informed inquiries and/or highlight a network that is causing the problem.

Rather than sitting around bitching about Blizzard who is currently offering us neither answers nor transfers, why not go out and find some information that might help us at least decide if moving to another server would be worthwhile?

Will do!

Well no one here is saying jump without looking first, all I am saying is if we have an opportunity to jump and it either looks good, or doesn't look bad then we should be willing to make the jump.

So if you want to use network congestion as the test then go for it, however by there own admission network congestion does not appear to be the issue.

so if we had to move would the whole guild move together?

Of course and only if you wanted to move.

You cant leave Mal'Ganis! Even if you tried, you would get disconnected while transfering!

Yep... just like in Event Horizon. Morpheus wasn't such as bad ass then.

Event Horizon scared the $#@! out me.

100% agree, the only sci-fi horror movie that still freaks me out.

Yep.. and the only horror film where the cast was smart. Fav dialogue exchange:



Fishborne: Once our ship is operational we are gone.

Weird ass Doctor: You can't just leave her here, we have to stay a figure out what happened to her.

Fishborne: Oh I have no intention of leaving this ship here, we will move to a safe distance and then blow her outta the sky... FUCK THIS SHIP!

I heard that the DVD has a deleted scene where they survivors go to hell briefly.

That would be uber cool.

As a Horde RP player on Silver Hand (sorry but Mal'Ganis is a badly performing server - and I don't like playing Alliance side as much) I can honestly tell you that Mal'Ganis as a host server for the game sucks ass. It has sucked ass since you guys started playing there, and I am with Niz, it will continue to suck ass. The community might be challenging and wonderful, but your experience depends on a good piece of hardware/code to back it up.

Mal'Ganis is shit.

You can say that moving to another server would be equal shit.
But again I am with Niz, you have the potential of better shit. Now, perhaps you get a great fucking server, it works great and the population is good. Well, then you gotta worry about the fags and fuckers on that bitch.

Oh well. Bitch and moan about that for a while, and then just do what you do - you deal with that shit, and you get together with some buds, and you play the stinking game for a while.

I seen you guys do some crazy shit together, you've had your inside guild fights, and gone through all the crap. Why not get on a server that isn't pissing you off with its mechanics all the damned time?

I hate Mal'Ganis. I come back after a full computer/internet upgrade, and because Mal'Ganis can't handle the latest patch AGAIN - I waste a whole day of my time on it. In a few words --- Fuck MG

OMFG Ravok is the shit.. He is like my fucking TWIN!

I swear thats not an alt of mine!

Can you say shit just a few more times :)

Fuck shit fuck BEWBS

Yeah I hate Mal'Gayness. And it hates me :(

And Syni is like MY fucking twin! <3<3<3

The copulatory defication spewed forth in seamingly unending gouts by these illigitimate whelps has reached heretofore unseen levels in what could only be described as a vast sea of scatalogical effluent!

The copulatory defication spewed forth in seamingly unending gouts by these illigitimate whelps has reached heretofore unseen levels in what could only be described as a vast sea of scatalogical effluent!


Why not just say "Stop all the Bullshit!" ?

:disgust: I was thinking more of the cussing :disgust: